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	<title>Comments on: Review of Home by Yann-Arthus Bertrand</title>
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		<title>By: William Spiritdancer</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>William Spiritdancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man. The Earth is dying or rather the systems that sustain life and all you care about is pretty pictures!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man. The Earth is dying or rather the systems that sustain life and all you care about is pretty pictures!</p>
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		<title>By: William Spiritdancer</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>William Spiritdancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean turn the sound off!  Are you crazy!  They have a totally valid message to deliver.  Uncontrolled growth is what got us in this mess in the first place.   Yes I do believe in their argument.  We need sustainable systems.   So according to you we should ignore what is happening because you did not provide any alternative solutions, and just grow ourselves into oblivion. That is what the Chinese are doing.  God help us if China becomes the new America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean turn the sound off!  Are you crazy!  They have a totally valid message to deliver.  Uncontrolled growth is what got us in this mess in the first place.   Yes I do believe in their argument.  We need sustainable systems.   So according to you we should ignore what is happening because you did not provide any alternative solutions, and just grow ourselves into oblivion. That is what the Chinese are doing.  God help us if China becomes the new America.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Helie</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-950</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu Helie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear François,
You are very passionate about these issues, but you are not taking in the whole picture. What is the the global warming pact if not the creation of a global USSR? What is the cause of Haiti&#039;s deforestation, if not a political disaster starting with the American invasion and occupation in the early 20th century?

In fact, I do know better than all scientists brought together, in some things. That is the fundamental problem of tacit knowledge in complexity science - you can&#039;t know everything everywhere. Only by connecting people through systems of individual action do you bring their total knowledge into one system. Appealing to authority is what creates disasters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear François,<br />
You are very passionate about these issues, but you are not taking in the whole picture. What is the the global warming pact if not the creation of a global USSR? What is the cause of Haiti&#8217;s deforestation, if not a political disaster starting with the American invasion and occupation in the early 20th century?</p>
<p>In fact, I do know better than all scientists brought together, in some things. That is the fundamental problem of tacit knowledge in complexity science &#8211; you can&#8217;t know everything everywhere. Only by connecting people through systems of individual action do you bring their total knowledge into one system. Appealing to authority is what creates disasters.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-933</link>
		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny argument really! And calling this propaganda is surprising too. All day long you are surrounded by commercials on the streets, on radio, on tv, on the internet and even hidden in movies that try to brainwash you to consume more. And that seems ok with you? Then you see ONE movie citing scientific realities and you say it is propaganda? My intuition is that you have been brainwashed long ago and refuse to face reality by admitting that your lifestyle isn&#039;t sustainable.

You refer to social disasters caused by fighting global warming? Well I&#039;d love some examples of those! I don&#039;t have to give you social disasters of problems caused by over exploiting nature as the movies is packed with examples. If you want others, look up the Aral sea disaster, Haiti, all the major rivers running dry,...

And I don&#039;t understand why you focus only on global warming since this is only one problem the movie pinpoints. What about deforestation, water pollution, air pollution, excessive water exploitation,... Should we just continue doing that too?

Lastly you say: &quot;Green politics fails not because it relies on facts that are incorrect, but because it relies on facts that are inherently unknowable&quot;. So what do you know about the situation if we would just continue business as usual? Do you know better than all scientists brought together?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny argument really! And calling this propaganda is surprising too. All day long you are surrounded by commercials on the streets, on radio, on tv, on the internet and even hidden in movies that try to brainwash you to consume more. And that seems ok with you? Then you see ONE movie citing scientific realities and you say it is propaganda? My intuition is that you have been brainwashed long ago and refuse to face reality by admitting that your lifestyle isn&#8217;t sustainable.</p>
<p>You refer to social disasters caused by fighting global warming? Well I&#8217;d love some examples of those! I don&#8217;t have to give you social disasters of problems caused by over exploiting nature as the movies is packed with examples. If you want others, look up the Aral sea disaster, Haiti, all the major rivers running dry,&#8230;</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t understand why you focus only on global warming since this is only one problem the movie pinpoints. What about deforestation, water pollution, air pollution, excessive water exploitation,&#8230; Should we just continue doing that too?</p>
<p>Lastly you say: &#8220;Green politics fails not because it relies on facts that are incorrect, but because it relies on facts that are inherently unknowable&#8221;. So what do you know about the situation if we would just continue business as usual? Do you know better than all scientists brought together?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Archer</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry bad netiquette but felt angry in the moment mwah lets kiss and make up after all we have only ten years left!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry bad netiquette but felt angry in the moment mwah lets kiss and make up after all we have only ten years left!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Archer</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your argument about control is irrelevant the point about the film is its meant to be a vaguely populist called to action and its meant to inspire optimism about our situation and &#039;what remains&#039;. Who cares if the same though process is behind this move to act the point is that this action caused this situation and by the same token we can reverse it. If you want to watch a similar film without the moraliswing then go watch Koyanisqaatsi and shut the hell up you doosh bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your argument about control is irrelevant the point about the film is its meant to be a vaguely populist called to action and its meant to inspire optimism about our situation and &#8216;what remains&#8217;. Who cares if the same though process is behind this move to act the point is that this action caused this situation and by the same token we can reverse it. If you want to watch a similar film without the moraliswing then go watch Koyanisqaatsi and shut the hell up you doosh bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Manish Sisodia</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Manish Sisodia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to throe all the books, from all over the world, into deep sea.  Bulldoze every institution that claims to give education. Overall, after 20 years of education, what are we getting from them....
who is more dangerous today... the person who has become a scientist/engineer/business manager aftergetting education... or the person who is still uneducated by chance....
Who is causing more pollution? Destroying forests? Making killer weapons?... is it educated or uneducated.....
Then? If our education institutes keep producing such devils, could the earth be saved....
The only way out is..either change the entire education system throughout the world.... or forget it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to throe all the books, from all over the world, into deep sea.  Bulldoze every institution that claims to give education. Overall, after 20 years of education, what are we getting from them&#8230;.<br />
who is more dangerous today&#8230; the person who has become a scientist/engineer/business manager aftergetting education&#8230; or the person who is still uneducated by chance&#8230;.<br />
Who is causing more pollution? Destroying forests? Making killer weapons?&#8230; is it educated or uneducated&#8230;..<br />
Then? If our education institutes keep producing such devils, could the earth be saved&#8230;.<br />
The only way out is..either change the entire education system throughout the world&#8230;. or forget it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: subcorpus</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>subcorpus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just watched it ...
it was awesome ...
even blogged about it ...
very good indeed ...
my take is here ... http://is.gd/1W7XT ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just watched it &#8230;<br />
it was awesome &#8230;<br />
even blogged about it &#8230;<br />
very good indeed &#8230;<br />
my take is here &#8230; <a href="http://is.gd/1W7XT" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/1W7XT</a> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Helie</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu Helie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be a prerequisite of any action that you know what the result of this action is going to be, otherwise you may be creating a whole new disaster, by consensus or not.

We don&#039;t know what the consequences of global warming are going to be, and we don&#039;t know if anything we do will have any impact on the climate, or if it won&#039;t make things worse. The climate is not a linear system and it can&#039;t be tackled with linear science. And the means used to attempt to control global warming, concentrations of power in a few world-spanning bodies, have been a cause of social catastrophes that are repeating themselves.

We are currently living through a social disaster of historic proportions, and that disaster is most definitely man-made. Yet there is no consensus on resolving it because it arises out of a moral error, and someone always benefits from a moral error. The same is at work with the global warming lobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be a prerequisite of any action that you know what the result of this action is going to be, otherwise you may be creating a whole new disaster, by consensus or not.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know what the consequences of global warming are going to be, and we don&#8217;t know if anything we do will have any impact on the climate, or if it won&#8217;t make things worse. The climate is not a linear system and it can&#8217;t be tackled with linear science. And the means used to attempt to control global warming, concentrations of power in a few world-spanning bodies, have been a cause of social catastrophes that are repeating themselves.</p>
<p>We are currently living through a social disaster of historic proportions, and that disaster is most definitely man-made. Yet there is no consensus on resolving it because it arises out of a moral error, and someone always benefits from a moral error. The same is at work with the global warming lobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Agar</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2009/06/09/review-of-home-by-yann-arthus-bertrand/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Agar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the movie for a second - are you saying that action should not be taken on global warming because we cannot be certain of the consequences? This despite the fact that there is a scientific consensus that action should be taken? I&#039;m not sure if this fits into the paradigm of imposed control vs. organic complexity. I think it just represents the best option for self preservation. There are few negative consequences of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, in relation to the 100% certain negative consequences of not acting (air pollution, environmental damage from oil extraction etc.) and even the less certain but much more  grave consequences of global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the movie for a second &#8211; are you saying that action should not be taken on global warming because we cannot be certain of the consequences? This despite the fact that there is a scientific consensus that action should be taken? I&#8217;m not sure if this fits into the paradigm of imposed control vs. organic complexity. I think it just represents the best option for self preservation. There are few negative consequences of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, in relation to the 100% certain negative consequences of not acting (air pollution, environmental damage from oil extraction etc.) and even the less certain but much more  grave consequences of global warming.</p>
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