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	<title>Comments on: The emergence of a sense of place</title>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Helie</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2008/06/15/the-emergence-of-a-sense-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu Helie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the simplest terms, it&#039;s
1) time
2) people</description>
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1) time<br />
2) people</p>
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		<title>By: Saurabh Gupta</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2008/06/15/the-emergence-of-a-sense-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Saurabh Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what are the factors that determine a sense of place? Can you enumerate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what are the factors that determine a sense of place? Can you enumerate?</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Helie</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2008/06/15/the-emergence-of-a-sense-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu Helie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In chaos theory, there is the idea that some systems aren&#039;t predictable exactly, in the sense that it cannot be known what exact state the system will be in at any point in time, but that nevertheless the system unfolds to certain patterns which can be predicted. See the Lorenz Attractor, for example.

But this isn&#039;t what I meant when I said that I don&#039;t know which processes should be put in place. The reason is that we can choose processes for their effects, and we may like one effect but not another, and really that choice is a matter of preference from one person to another. If I were to tell you what processes to run, I would really just be making an appeal to my personal tastes.

The observation that one place is placeful and the other placeless is the result of applying the theory, and personal intuition. We know how a subdivision is made, and we know how a shantytown is made, and we can feel that something is wrong with the subdivision but not with the other. If we combine the theory with our knowledge of how the subdivision and the shantytown were made, we arrive at those conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In chaos theory, there is the idea that some systems aren&#8217;t predictable exactly, in the sense that it cannot be known what exact state the system will be in at any point in time, but that nevertheless the system unfolds to certain patterns which can be predicted. See the Lorenz Attractor, for example.</p>
<p>But this isn&#8217;t what I meant when I said that I don&#8217;t know which processes should be put in place. The reason is that we can choose processes for their effects, and we may like one effect but not another, and really that choice is a matter of preference from one person to another. If I were to tell you what processes to run, I would really just be making an appeal to my personal tastes.</p>
<p>The observation that one place is placeful and the other placeless is the result of applying the theory, and personal intuition. We know how a subdivision is made, and we know how a shantytown is made, and we can feel that something is wrong with the subdivision but not with the other. If we combine the theory with our knowledge of how the subdivision and the shantytown were made, we arrive at those conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2008/06/15/the-emergence-of-a-sense-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, to cut to the chase, is the answer: &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot;. I know what doesn&#039;t work, but I don&#039;t know what DOES work.&quot;?

Or, let&#039;s approach it differently, you posted two pcitures:  placeless and placeful. On what is that observation based? Do you beleive we ahve ANY idea about how to obtain a placeful urbanity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, to cut to the chase, is the answer: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221;. I know what doesn&#8217;t work, but I don&#8217;t know what DOES work.&#8221;?</p>
<p>Or, let&#8217;s approach it differently, you posted two pcitures:  placeless and placeful. On what is that observation based? Do you beleive we ahve ANY idea about how to obtain a placeful urbanity?</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Helie</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2008/06/15/the-emergence-of-a-sense-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu Helie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a very simple reason for that. There are an infinite number of different processes that will generate an even more infinite (pun intended) structures as outcome.

Try to conceive of all the resources that were invested to create the software processes you used to write your post. This much will have to be invested in urbanisation R&amp;D before we can have the same confidence generating cities we do posting to blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a very simple reason for that. There are an infinite number of different processes that will generate an even more infinite (pun intended) structures as outcome.</p>
<p>Try to conceive of all the resources that were invested to create the software processes you used to write your post. This much will have to be invested in urbanisation R&amp;D before we can have the same confidence generating cities we do posting to blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
		<link>http://emergenturbanism.com/2008/06/15/the-emergence-of-a-sense-of-place/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting. I not, however, that you do not expolicitly state what process(s) (as opposed to outcome) should be put into place to generate thsi sense of place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. I not, however, that you do not expolicitly state what process(s) (as opposed to outcome) should be put into place to generate thsi sense of place?</p>
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